PIP changes and UC migration – how will the election affect them? (2024)

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  Lolly · 1 months ago

  The Conservatives say the cost of PIP is going up because of the number of claimants, and a lot of those are giving up work due to stress....... So they should focus on why so many businesses are not looking after their staff and making them support their workers more. But no, instead let's punish those who are already on the benefits!!!

  On top of that ministers suggest getting claimant's back into work....... Well that tells you straight away they don't have a clue what the benefit means or how it is used!

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    Supporting the Needy · 27 days ago

    @MrFibroBang on right

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    Old Mother · 1 months ago

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    @FredThere are scant protections / rights for people without disability, so can we really expect accommodations?

    Workplaces are rife with prejudice and discrimination.

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    Old Mother · 1 months ago

    @LollySo agree! Employers are not getting enough scrutiny in their active role in damaging the physical and mental health of the workforce.

    Combined with a hostile framework that actively promotes employers rights over workers with no real redress.

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    Fred · 1 months ago

    @MrFibroTheir relying upon reasonable adjustments being made in workplaces, as are Labour. Kendal already mentioned this very recently. And some clever stick thought that Deliveroo, was the new uk economy. They haven't a clue.

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    MrFibro · 1 months ago

    @LollyIf there's a million jobs up for grabs in the UK, that's according to the Tory's that is. Then how the hell can you get 3.5 million PIP claimants a job, not alone those on UC, ESA, Etc. Their math's is dire. It's just a big load of codswallop, trying to turn joe public against the disabled/ sick / ill etc. In order to get the voters on their side.

    Maybe they expect i dunno 6 million people to job share 1000,000 jobs a few hours whacked out between them lol. Apart from all of that, the employers wont stand for millions of ill, sick, disabled people who cannot work, to work lol.

    We would or most of us could be a liability to the employers & fellow workers in the workplace.

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  CaroA · 1 months ago

  I couldn't fill in the consultation form I have multiple health conditions including one that affects my heart but instead I sent the following by email.

  As a recipient of PIP benefits and an individual facing long term disabilities, I find it necessary to share the significant repercussions this proposal could have on individuals like myself and the broader disabled community.

  In the spirit of clarity and effective communication, I will address this letter in three parts. First, providing feedback on the challenging consultation process; second, sharing thoughts on the proposed suggestions; and finally, considering the legal liabilities and potential group litigation implications.

  1. Feedback regarding the consultation process:

  The current consultation process, as detailed in the green paper, has presented significant hurdles for individuals such as myself with disabilities. Engaging with the online questionnaire proved to be too daunting, with a lack of essential accommodations such as a 'save and edit' button and misaligned page numbers complicating participation. The distressing and complicated nature of the process compounded the physical pain experienced.

  The timing of this green paper consultation (coinciding with electioneering) combined with its complexity has not inspired confidence in the disabled community to participate in the process.

  Years of dehumanizing treatment from repeated Work Capability Assessments have severely eroded my confidence in government and health consultation processes. The adversarial nature of past WCA assessments has fostered deep skepticism concerning the fairness of government initiatives, making engagement almost impossible. I'm writing this email (which has taken me weeks to put together saving and editing where needed) in the hopes that it will contribute to the process.

  2. Feedback on the proposed suggestions to replace PIP payments:

  Many of us have relied on basic disability benefits for years, striving not to burden the state unnecessarily by only claiming the basic ESA support group benefit, for instance. Facing the potential removal of the recently awarded PIP benefits in older life after years of navigating basic disability benefit poverty is unimaginably distressing. Countless older individuals in similar situations have managed with minimal state support, only to be confronted with the threat now of this potential loss of PIP. So many people have needed PIP throughout their lives too.

  I rely on PIP for crucial needs such as cleaning, therapies, dietary requirements, transportation, and specialized equipment. Disrupting this individually tailored essential assistance could have profound consequences on our well-being. Impacting delicate health equilibrium in this way to this sector of society will have severe knock-on effects to NHS and local care services, etc.

  3. Legal Liabilities and Considerations:

  During this new consultation, any government must surely take its existing legal liabilities seriously regarding the damage endured over years from the Work Capability Assessments. Government should consider the potential for group litigation with regards to this. Ignoring of the serious damage from the WCA assessment system whilst continuing to erode disabled people's lives and equilibrium with these latest proposals must surely point to short-term thinking not taking into account longer-term consequences of pushing us to the brink of litigation on-mass.

  While it is understandable that adjustments may be necessary due to the increasing burden of the disability benefit bill, it is crucial to acknowledge the lasting impact on individuals who have endured the effects of a system deemed traumatizing by the World Health Organization.

  As we contemplate potential changes, it is essential to handle any reforms with care, recognizing that future recipients may have different expectations compared to longer-term recipients who could be significantly destabilized by significant alterations.

  Thank you for considering these critical matters and acknowledging the perspectives of those directly impacted by these proposed changes. I hope that my concerns, alongside those of many others in the disabled community, will be given due consideration in decision-making regarding the future of PIP disability benefits.

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    Supporting the Needy · 27 days ago

    @CaroAWell stated

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    Old mother · 1 months ago

    @CaroAWell said.

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    Fred · 1 months ago

    @PARISFRANCEDespite being highly educated.

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    CaroA · 1 months ago

    @IDGThank you very much IDG I'm happy for anybody to use quotes from my email submission if it's helpful.

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    PARISFRANCE · 1 months ago

    @JeffAnd while they are at it they also need to make themselves aware that Universal credit can be a working persons benefit. It beggars belief that people, probably even Prime Ministers, have no clue about working benefits. They are as thick and as dense as they come.

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  The Dog Mother · 1 months ago

  Hope esa to uc gets put on back burner until 2028 again.Please please l.

  As for the pip utter Tripe.. Just what kind of people thinks this hateful non workable drivel up. sad*sts?

  Hard enough coping daily without further burden thrust onto us. I'm absolutely demented with it all esp for me the UC migration. But it all preys on the mind. Brill for the MH. Not!

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    m shirker · 1 months ago

    @The Dog Motherim praying to for 2028 pushback again please please please! cant see it though because 1 term is only 5 years and labour are not going to wait that long at best a short delay maybe for 2026

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  Brian. · 1 months ago

  will backfire badly as it defeats the purpoise of PIP, without the payments theres no Personal Independence it helps you have , which is the whole reason it came to exist.

  Dumbo's.

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    Old Mother · 1 months ago

    @Brian.Exactly - the care system is on its knees. They can’t resource or fund it. PIP supports so many for relatively small sums with ad hoc support systems controlled by the user.

    Trying to replace this will lead to chaos and greater funding requirements.

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  Dave Ashton · 1 months ago

  Will pensioners on pip be included,in this cashless pip the tories want

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    Julie aldcroft · 18 days ago

    @Marion greenCan explain further please ?I was born 1960 .they changed me from d.l.a which I got for life .to p.i.p which now continues on assessments. Even though my disabilities not change .I lost money on change over is that correct still ?I'm exempt from losing my benefits .I'm dreading moveing from e.s.a to u.credit .my retirement is in 2.5 yrs .just wish leave me alone .I'm worrying sick how I'm going keep bills paid .feed myself .can you explain how I won't lose my benefits .im undergoing another p.i.p assessment. What do I do to live if they stop my benefits .I can't sleep .worrying .
    

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    Tracey D · 21 days ago

    @MariWI think it was DLA receipients born before 1968 were exempt from their benefit ending .

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    Marion green · 21 days ago

    @Dave AshtonIf you are on Pip yes David Ashton

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    PARISFRANCE · 1 months ago

    @Boris1Been trying to find out how this will affect pensioners if it goes ahead and I can find absolutely nothing. So where did you get the information from or are you just assuming that they would be affected. The main issue it would appear is getting PIP claimants out to work but pensioners, by definition don't work anymore

    They are retired claiming their pension. So they are not the issue

    However, if you know (not assume) different then pls let us know where you found this information from

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    Boris1 · 1 months ago

    @Dave AshtonYes they will.

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  𝕞𝕚𝕔𝕙𝕖𝕝𝕝 · 1 months ago

  𝕝𝕚𝕓 𝕕𝕖𝕞𝕤 𝕤𝕖𝕖𝕞 𝕥𝕠 𝕓𝕖 𝕥𝕙𝕖 𝕠𝕟𝕝𝕪 𝕡𝕒𝕣𝕥𝕪 𝕤𝕦𝕡𝕡𝕠𝕣𝕥𝕚𝕧𝕖 𝕠𝕗 𝕕𝕚𝕤𝕒𝕓𝕝𝕖𝕕 𝕡𝕡𝕝

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    Fred · 1 months ago

    @wibblum''to finally rid this country of the pernicious malaise of tory ideology.''

    Yes but Labours ideas sound the same.

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    Am · 1 months ago

    @wibblumYes but in some areas Labour don't have enough support to beat the Tory but LibDem do. Check the website link. In my area it's a Labour vote, but it won't be in all areas especially Scotland, Wales, NI of course.

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    MariW · 1 months ago

    @wibblumwibblumYou are right. However, voters in some constituencies would be wise to vote LB if that is the best way to unseat a Tory MP.

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    Lilillannant · 1 months ago

    @𝕞𝕚𝕔𝕙𝕖𝕝𝕝the greens are maybe?

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    george · 1 months ago

    @𝕞𝕚𝕔𝕙𝕖𝕝𝕝True , unfortunately it's will only be between a labour or conservative choice to win a election as other party's won't have enough votes to get through , it's a horrible choice but in my opinion we can't keep the conservatives in that's definite .

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  SusieRose · 1 months ago

  I've just completed the PIP Green Paper questionnaire it took me over 4hrs to complete (yes it is like filling in a 'PIP form with unanswerable questions and repeat questions, just rephrased). The proposals are ludicrous and unworkable. The DWP will not be able to cope with the workload it will generate, to be honest, the extra cost alone will be astronomical ( but the government loves wasting money on anything except the essentials). You cannot save and go back, it all has to be done at 1 session,my first mistake.

  But if you can do it there is help from this site, my 2nd mistake I didn't know about it.

  DO IT.

  Because whoever gets in will carry on this abuse of the disabled for the sake of cash. Whoever gets in, is going to be cash-strapped, a bit like when the conservatives took over from Labour.

  It may make a difference to whoever comes in. So those who are dependent on the PIP Cash Payment spend the time and fill this form in, it just may save your money. Also, you will be shocked at some of the proposals, which have not been mentioned in the tabloids as ways to replace this payment and who is given the money to distribute to the disabled ( get yourself a social worker if it goes through).

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    𝕞𝕚𝕔𝕙𝕖𝕝𝕝 · 1 months ago

    @SusieRose𝕀 𝕗𝕚𝕝𝕝𝕖𝕕 𝕚𝕥 𝕚𝕟 𝕪𝕖𝕤𝕥𝕖𝕣𝕕𝕒𝕪, 𝕚𝕥𝕤 𝕝𝕠𝕟𝕘 𝕒𝕟𝕕 𝕝𝕚𝕜𝕖 𝕪𝕠𝕦 𝕤𝕒𝕪 𝕥𝕙𝕖𝕪 𝕙𝕒𝕧𝕖 𝕞𝕒𝕕𝕖 𝕚𝕥 𝕝𝕚𝕜𝕖 𝕡𝕚𝕡 𝕒𝕡𝕡𝕝𝕚𝕔𝕒𝕥𝕚𝕠𝕟𝕤. 𝕋𝕙𝕚𝕤 𝕞𝕒𝕪 𝕓𝕖 𝕒𝕟 𝕒𝕥𝕥𝕖𝕞𝕡𝕥 𝕥𝕠 𝕡𝕦𝕥 𝕡𝕡𝕝 𝕠𝕗𝕗 𝕠𝕣 𝕔𝕠𝕟𝕥𝕚𝕟𝕦𝕚𝕟𝕘 𝕗𝕚𝕝𝕝𝕚𝕟𝕘 𝕚𝕥 𝕚𝕟. 𝕚 𝕒𝕝𝕤𝕠 𝕟𝕠𝕥𝕖𝕕, 𝕥𝕙𝕖𝕪 𝕙𝕒𝕧𝕖 𝕞𝕒𝕕𝕖 𝕢𝕦𝕖𝕤𝕥𝕚𝕠𝕟𝕤 𝕥𝕙𝕒𝕥 𝕒𝕥𝕥𝕖𝕞𝕡𝕥𝕤 𝕥𝕠 𝕡𝕦𝕤𝕙 𝕪𝕠𝕦 𝕚𝕟𝕥𝕠 𝕥𝕙𝕖𝕚𝕣 𝕨𝕒𝕪 𝕠𝕗 𝕥𝕙𝕚𝕟𝕜𝕚𝕟𝕘 𝕠𝕣 𝕕𝕚𝕤𝕞𝕚𝕤𝕤𝕖𝕤 𝕒𝕟𝕪 𝕠𝕥𝕙𝕖𝕣 𝕒𝕣𝕘𝕦𝕞𝕖𝕟𝕥 𝕨𝕚𝕥𝕙 𝕥𝕙𝕖 𝕡𝕠𝕝𝕚𝕔𝕚𝕖𝕤, 𝕥𝕙𝕖𝕚𝕣 𝕨𝕠𝕣𝕕𝕚𝕟𝕘 𝕠𝕗 𝕥𝕙𝕖 𝕢𝕦𝕖𝕤𝕥𝕚𝕠𝕟𝕤.

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  Bethan · 1 months ago

  Whoever wins the election needs to put an end to this mess what they've have created stop trying to put people into poverty

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    Old Mother · 1 months ago

    @BethanAgree and poverty costs the state more in terms of health care, housing and support systems.

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  MariW · 1 months ago

  I think it is worth taking part in the PIP consultation. Send that strong message!

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  Alan · 1 months ago

  Because of labours tight lipped stance on esa to uc I’ve cancelled my membership to the Labour Party. I hope that the mps on the left rise up and fight for us.

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    John · 1 months ago

    @AlanScrap the latter half of my last comment, as I read that as 'mps on the right'.

    However, the main point still stands, most parties would be foolish to set out their major policies on benefits at this stage when there are so many swing voters on the right available to be won over to their side.

    Ambiguity is the name of the game right now but at the very least, that horrible green paper will be annulled and a series of sensible, realistic policies can take its place. The ever downward spiral of Tory benefits policy can finally come to an end.

    As a final point, voting for another party on the left can only ever benefit the Tories, as sad as it is for me to say. Until the first past the post voting system is abolished, this is always likely to be the case.

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    John · 1 months ago

    @AlanLabour have to be tight lipped if they want to get into Downing street. Benefits are a highly polarising subject amongst voters after all, so yes, it's a frustrating approach, albeit a very sensible one. As for right wing parties, they've rarely ever shown support for disabled people, with the Tories doing everything within their power over the last 14 years to offer us the bare minimum at every turn. Surely you must see this?

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  Anon · 1 months ago

  The truth is, nobody knows until the parties outline their manifesto s

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    Anon · 1 months ago

    @MariWDoesn't mean the next will be better. We need to hear Labour's welfare plan before getting too excited

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    MariW · 1 months ago

    @Anon@anon I think we know enough about the present administration.

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